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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:08:00 -
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I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:21:00 -
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Altessa Post wrote:Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves? People are drawn to Eve via trailers that encourage you to embrace the dark side, its huge array of player interactions and by the media reports about the various scams and shenanigans involving explosions that we get upto. Without the so called "griefers" Eve would get very little press at all, let alone be featured in publications with readerships in the 10's of millions.
They aren't drawn to Eve by the PvE experience, primarily because its fairly mediocre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:06:00 -
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Steve Dolk wrote:I'm a miner and I have always been - and I like it. I like collecting stuff, so seing my ore hold being filled makes me happy. I don't see the need to hate miners - we are the back bone of Eve, without us there would be nothing to fly around in.
It's kinda boring, yes, but it's our own choice, so no need to go kill someone who can't fight back. Go find some others in combat ships and go play -pew pew pew- with them.
- Steve Miners can fight back, it's called making yourself an unattractive target by being hard to kill.
I've ganked miners with others on another character, I associate with people who gank miners because they're good for my income via the market demands they trigger. Most of them will tell you the following:
If you're flying a ship that requires too much investment or effort to gank you'll generally be left alone, unless of course you make yourself a target through other means, like being a gobshite.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:11:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Find me and try to gank me. If you are successful you will see zero tears. You know why? I know the exact environment I play within. Same, if you want my mining ship dead, it's going to cost you, at the very least, the replacement value of my ship, and it's fittings.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:27:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. Actually they do, I mine occasionally, as such other miners are competition, every roid they mine out is one I don't get to mine. I also do small scale industry, producing small ships, modules and rigs, as such I'm competing with people who see their minerals as free and undercut my prices, and thus my income.
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had, no matter how indirect.
You'll also find that a decent percentage of gankers have alts that are either trading or producing the very ships and modules that their trade creates a demand for.
Eve is a cutthroat business, deal with it 
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:42:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp
No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear
Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.
No ships because of a lack of miners = increased demand for the raw materials = people who gave up mining because it's basically a McJob start mining again because it's worthwhile doing so despite the boredom (fleet mining ops ftw), hopefully they'd also be the people that know to tank their ships.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:55:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking?
Didn't you condone, repeatedly, the making of real life threats over actions carried out within a game in another thread?
In answer to your question I don't engage in ganking. That's not the same as saying I've never engaged in ganking, or that I won't at sometime in the future.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:07:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Jonah, in my experience, is one of the more intelligent and sensible posters here on Eve-o. He's also a bit of a carebear himself, and he is stating that he ganks for economic reasons. Hardly the resume of a sociopath. You on the other hand . . . I am not a carebear, they cry, whine and incessantly demand CCP change the game for them, I'm just a bear.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:00:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:I love miners!
I love miners a whooooole lot. Do I detect the chance of an event celebrating your love of miners being organised in the near future?
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:20:00 -
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Ismol Mond wrote:Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE. Wow.
Helicity Boson wrote:You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right? According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:28:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Chribba. Veld for the Veld God.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:51:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy. That is not what recent psychological studies are showing. An interesting recent report in Psychological Science indicated that role playing an evil (or good) character online effects real life behavior and that GÇ£People are prone to be unaware of the influence of their virtual representations on their behavioral responses.GÇ¥ Basically playing an evil character online does effect your responses in real life ... but you will be unaware of it and deny it and get upset if someone else points it out to you. If you're going to refer to studies at least post links to them, I presume it's this one. For every study out there that claims what you say there is another study claiming the exact opposite.
As for the study in question, if it's the one I've linked, the title contains the word may not indicates, and pretty much all it proved was that some people think it's funny to feed their friends chilli sauce instead of chocolate, they're right, it is amusing, especially when it's not you getting the chilli sauce.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:22:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote:Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up. That's fine, people who mine and accept their ship losses as part of playing Eve don't tend to be the ones that cry [http://youtu.be/aUfU1arc0Es?t=3s]"it's so unfair"[/url] incessantly or incessantly ask CCP to change the game for them.
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